More public money promised for Ieuan Air by Ieuan

[Chad]

Nationality is not just an official stamp on your passport though is it Boyo. My auntie lives in Bournemouth, has done most of her life, if anybody called her English she'd probably be tempted to headbutt them. Nationality is a state of mind and soul as well as what it says under act of parliament. If it were only that, then why bother even having a national rugby team.

[Mike Powell]

Nationality is not just an official stamp on your passport though is it Boyo. My auntie lives in Bournemouth, has done most of her life, if anybody called her English she'd probably be tempted to headbutt them. Nationality is a state of mind and soul as well as what it says under act of parliament. If it were only that, then why bother even having a national rugby team.

It is called Little Britain because of all the Celts who settled there, from 450 to 600 AD, when the Angles and Saxons were invading "Britain".

The English name Wales originates from the Germanic words Walh (singular) and Walha (plural). The Ænglisc-speaking Anglo-Saxons used the term Waelisc when referring to the Celtic Britons, and Wēalas when referring to their lands.

In old German the name Wales means "foreigner"!

Now how much Celtic history do you and Plaid want to try to overwrite in seeking fruition of your obsessive goal chad?

[Chad]

Were not discussing Celtic history.

Nor does this discussion (or my point) have anything to do with it really. I already knew the little history lesson you gave (thanks anyway though) and I wasn't aware we in Plaid were trying to re-write that. You really need to move on from this deep hatred you have of Plaid Mike. If theres a refurendum in the autumn you'll have to work with us.

[boyo]

"Nationality is not just an official stamp on your passport though is it Boyo."

For legal purposes it is chad, for MD to say that there's a legal basis for choice of nationality is just plain ridiculous
(and he STILL hasn't backed it up)

[Mike Powell]

" i'm just saying we enjoy a legal right to define our own national identities, "

OK, so for the benefit of the forum, please quote for us the relevant act of parliament and section which defines this "legal right"

To say that we have a "choice" is utter crap, and has no basis in reality, it is a totally meaningless comment, it has about as much relevance as your fellow travellers claiming years ago, that wales was "nuclear free".

An Acte for Laws & Justice to be ministred in Wales in like fourme as it is in this Realme (27 Henry VIII c. 26), passed in 1536.
An Acte for certaine Ordinaunces in the Kinges Majesties Domynion and Principalitie of Wales (34 and 35 Henry VIII c. 26), passed in 1543.


Well, Boyo, you did ask...

Were not discussing Celtic history.

Nor does this discussion (or my point) have anything to do with it really. I already knew the little history lesson you gave (thanks anyway though) and I wasn't aware we in Plaid were trying to re-write that. You really need to move on from this deep hatred you have of Plaid Mike. If theres a refurendum in the autumn you'll have to work with us.

Chad, you and reality lost touch with each other a while back mate. I will work with any principled politician to gain more powers for the Welsh Assembly, it appears that you are not one.
Now if you care to look at the drivel you have posted on here re "nationality" and the like you argue from fear and hatred that you accuse me of, same old same old. I do not hate Plaid, I feel for them as a father would feel for an errant child, and I do try to communicate with Plaid but your fear of putting your arguments for what is your raison d'etre, independence for Wales, leaves me thinking that it is a policy that has been dumped. It will not form part of your parties Westminster campaign and I can understand that as any attempt at scrutinising the policy leaves people like your self ignoring the questions and playing smoke and mirrors with "nation building" and such like as you have tried to use on this thread

Now back to the point of this thread.
Should Ieuan Air continue to be subsidised from the public purse? Here is how I approach the question. Is it nice? Is it necessary?
Yes it is nice. No it is not necessary

[Mondragon1]

" Nationality is a state of mind,"

PC bullshit VB!!, nationality is what's on your birth certificate and passport!!.

"" i'm just saying we enjoy a legal right to define our own national identities, "

OK, so for the benefit of the forum, please quote for us the relevant act of parliament and section which defines this "legal right"

What's the matter MD, cat got your tongue??, it's a simple question

Why would national identity be dictated by a law? I already recognised that our passports, laws etc confer British citizenship on us. They do not confer British national identity on us though anymore than they confer European identity on us. Those things are a matter of personal choice.

I use the phrase 'national identity', not 'nationality'. Nationality is usually a legal word for citizenship. You don't even realise they are two different things.

[Chad]

" i'm just saying we enjoy a legal right to define our own national identities, "

OK, so for the benefit of the forum, please quote for us the relevant act of parliament and section which defines this "legal right"

To say that we have a "choice" is utter crap, and has no basis in reality, it is a totally meaningless comment, it has about as much relevance as your fellow travellers claiming years ago, that wales was "nuclear free".

An Acte for Laws & Justice to be ministred in Wales in like fourme as it is in this Realme (27 Henry VIII c. 26), passed in 1536.
An Acte for certaine Ordinaunces in the Kinges Majesties Domynion and Principalitie of Wales (34 and 35 Henry VIII c. 26), passed in 1543.


Well, Boyo, you did ask...

Were not discussing Celtic history.

Nor does this discussion (or my point) have anything to do with it really. I already knew the little history lesson you gave (thanks anyway though) and I wasn't aware we in Plaid were trying to re-write that. You really need to move on from this deep hatred you have of Plaid Mike. If theres a refurendum in the autumn you'll have to work with us.

Chad, you and reality lost touch with each other a while back mate. I will work with any principled politician to gain more powers for the Welsh Assembly, it appears that you are not one.
Now if you care to look at the drivel you have posted on here re "nationality" and the like you argue from fear and hatred that you accuse me of, same old same old. I do not hate Plaid, I feel for them as a father would feel for an errant child, and I do try to communicate with Plaid but your fear of putting your arguments for what is your raison d'etre, independence for Wales, leaves me thinking that it is a policy that has been dumped. It will not form part of your parties Westminster campaign and I can understand that as any attempt at scrutinising the policy leaves people like your self ignoring the questions and playing smoke and mirrors with "nation building" and such like as you have tried to use on this thread

Now back to the point of this thread.
Should Ieuan Air continue to be subsidised from the public purse? Here is how I approach the question. Is it nice? Is it necessary?
Yes it is nice. No it is not necessary

Wow. What can you say to all that eh? Especially when the person doesn't really know you at all. Lol. Your knowledge of Plaid and what we are about is pure fantasy councillor. But your entitled to your views.

[boyo]

" i'm just saying we enjoy a legal right to define our own national identities,"

"Why would national identity be dictated by a law?"

Spot the difference, MD is getting a bit confused

[Yn Oga]

Mike Powell Wrote:-


It is called Little Britain because of all the Celts who settled there, from 450 to 600 AD, when the Angles and Saxons were invading "Britain".

The English name Wales originates from the Germanic words Walh (singular) and Walha (plural). The Ænglisc-speaking Anglo-Saxons used the term Waelisc when referring to the Celtic Britons, and Wēalas when referring to their lands.

In old German the name Wales means "foreigner"!

Now how much Celtic history do you and Plaid want to try to overwrite in seeking fruition of your obsessive goal chad?

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It's not very Lib Dem to attempt to define 'Britishness' or 'Welshness' in the context of the present day using 600 year old history, Plaid welcomes all the people of Wales including those who came here yesterday and those who will be here tomorrow that is what defines our proud Nation, history is or should be a deterrent to those who wish to group peoples political purpose upon race citing the past as justification. Indeed we have a park in Pontypridd to remind us of just that.

[Mondragon1]

" i'm just saying we enjoy a legal right to define our own national identities,"

"Why would national identity be dictated by a law?"

Spot the difference, MD is getting a bit confused

No you are just not as intelligent as me on this particular issue.

To DEFINE our own national identities is "law".

The STATUS of our national identities is not "law", citizenship is.

[boyo]

"No you are just not as intelligent as me on this particular issue. "

Unlike you MD, I don't have a degree in bovine scatology!!.

[Mike Powell]

Mike Powell Wrote:-


It is called Little Britain because of all the Celts who settled there, from 450 to 600 AD, when the Angles and Saxons were invading "Britain".

The English name Wales originates from the Germanic words Walh (singular) and Walha (plural). The Ænglisc-speaking Anglo-Saxons used the term Waelisc when referring to the Celtic Britons, and Wēalas when referring to their lands.

In old German the name Wales means "foreigner"!

Now how much Celtic history do you and Plaid want to try to overwrite in seeking fruition of your obsessive goal chad?

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

It's not very Lib Dem to attempt to define 'Britishness' or 'Welshness' in the context of the present day using 600 year old history, Plaid welcomes all the people of Wales including those who came here yesterday and those who will be here tomorrow that is what defines our proud Nation, history is or should be a deterrent to those who wish to group peoples political purpose upon race citing the past as justification. Indeed we have a park in Pontypridd to remind us of just that.

Is that the park Plaid said they want to build a multi storey car park in? Humm I think it is, you support a car park in the park don't you Huw, so what is it that you and plaid protecting?

[Yn Oga]

That old chestnut, I was a young man when this was first mooted, indeed it was the same year as Cardiff Bae development was announced, what I do know is Pontypridd will never have the political will or skill to develop. The news today is just another here we go again announcement. It is you Powell who will be forever associated with the generation that did not and could not deliver.

I think our kids and their kids deserve better, I hope the short term popularity was worth it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/8501261.stm

[Mike Powell]

That old chestnut, I was a young man when this was first mooted, indeed it was the same year as Cardiff Bae development was announced, what I do know is Pontypridd will never have the political will or skill to develop. The news today is just another here we go again announcement. It is you Powell who will be forever associated with the generation that did not and could not deliver.

I think our kids and their kids deserve better, I hope the short term popularity was worth it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/8501261.stm

Er nice to know that one Liberal Democrat can stop 42 Plaid Cymru councillors. I merely asked the people what they thought of Plaids proposals and they said NO to them. Why do you have a problem with the voice of the people Huw, don't you trust them? You obviously think it is ok to twist their will to your own ends.